May 3, 2008 - 4:04pm
McCain delegate slate prevails
By Wally EdgeTeam McCain managed to completely lock out the Ron Paul delegates, capturing the remaining 12 delegates. McCain's floor managers distributed a flyer with the names of the 12 delegates that they believed would be suitable McCain supporters. The 12 delegates are: (number of votes in parentheses)
- Former Governor John McKernan 532
- Senator Olympia Snowe 535
- Rep. Josh Tardy 551
- Senator Carol Weston 555
- Congressional candidate Charlie Summers 545
- Senator Kevin Raye 518
- Dwayne Bickford508
- Elaine Bridge 507
- Kathy Watson527
- Dawn Gilbert 435
- Ann Robinson 538
- Jan Staples 516
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good day for the neo-cons...
bad day for the republican party and America...
Absolutely terrible news.
Absolutely terrible news. I'm a lifelong Republican and cannot imagine how our great party will be able to prevail in November with these people.
McCain and his cronies essentially amount up to a Democratic President and the demise of the GOP.
it's just the beginning
The very large numbers of enthusiastic Ron Paul supporters forced the neocons to work harder. Congratulations to Ken Lindell and Team Paul for getting all our delegates nominated. For a bunch of mostly political rookies, this was no mean feat.
I was very proud to be part of a large Paul turnout. We have nothing to be embarrassed about and we learned a lot. The revolution has just begun.
McCain will not get my vote. It's either a write-in for Ron Paul or the Libertarian candidate.
legacy of incompetent leadership...
in the last 8 years since the Bush administration took office...
national debt up $9.4tn (71% increase)
federal deficit from +$150bn to -$550bn
median ceo pay up 33%
median household income up 17%
cost of gasoline up 141%
cost of natural gas up 83%
cost of electricity up 38%
cost of milk up 39%
cost of bread up 41%
cost of eggs up 122%
cost of orange juice up 40%
cost of ground beef up 57%
servicemen killed 4000+
servicemen wounded 30,000+
foreign nationals killed 50,000+ (?)
foreign nationals wounded 500,000+ (?)
cost of iraq & afghani conficts 600bn+
this is the record of proven failure embraced today at the GOP convention. Thank you Ron Paul people for your tireless efforts, we've only just begun...
This is wonderful! I know
This is wonderful! I know of 9 on that list who are actually closet Ron Paul supporters, LMAO!
Well done, well done.
railroaded: and other future expectations
lol. gorgeous george. that would be great if it were true.
and even if it is, they lack any willpower to state their case.
what a travesty
good job paul people. there are more people that would support you all. i can see now why people don't want to waste their time at such an event. the party line business is a threat to the nation.
democrat or republican? doesn't matter at this point. how bad will things get? what is it that will bring some people together to tackle the pressing issues? i think ron paul better represents the precipice for such a notion than any of the top 3 candidates.
party unity? what hacks. none of the three have my vote. they can all get what's coming to them. why subsidize bad behavior?
the (R)s failed miserably in representing their principles they claim to uphold. and succeeded greatly in being seduced by fear and manipulation. i know if they had more facts they would make a better choice. i can't believe that they are content with the same old leadership, that delegate list is just plain insanity.
outside politics, as neighbors, you've got my support. within the party realm you can all bite me. that convention was representative of a sickness. cleanse yourself. open your ears. do whats best for the nation, all nations, and be good republicans, not party hacks.
the only two threats i heard mentioned at the convention were terrorists and democrats. that's real intelligent. humrous, but ignorant. hence, that what we'll get for leadership. sound like george bush al over again. "people get the government they ask for."
GOP stature
The stature of the Maine (and national) GOP was damaged severely by the tactics used in this 2008 election, not only in Maine but all around this great nation.
Maine Republican elitists pulled the strings at this convention, but the grass roots movement will eventually show the hierarchy of the GOP which side of their bread is buttered - and by whom. Maine has several pro-Paul candidates running for state legislative positions, and we will elect many of them - especially with the help of those who realize what has been, and is, happening to the process and the country. Thanks for reading this.
I wish you were right. I was
I wish you were right. I was there and I hope you have proof for that statement. None of those names were on the Ron Paul list that we had, and all were on McCain's list. Do you know these people personally? How do you know that 9 are Ron Paul people?
It actually easy to get
It actually easy to get *nominated* as a delegate; a monkey could do it. No wonder Democrats - excuse me, Ron Paul supporters - managed.
You need to A) Fill out a form and B) get nominated and seconded. So, you need to write legible English and know two other people there. Not exactly rocket science. If Ron Paulites think this is tough, no wonder he lost the Presidential campaign.
George is delusional or
George is delusional or lying. None of those people are Ron Paul supporters; I know them all. They're all good Republicans.
Learn your history PatrioticDelegate
What do you mean "good Republican" PatDel? Oh, so now I am not a good republican because I have been awake and aware of John Mccain prior to the past 20+ years? So now, are we now to believe that people who are not jumping up and down in support of Mccain/Feingold, Mccain/Kennedy or even just non-conservative Senator Mccain are bad republicans? If you would just look at the voting record Mccain is a statist or a republicrat but true conservative republican...hardly.
correction
prior to and during the past 20+ years
I don't agree with Senator
I don't agree with Senator McCain on everything, just as I don't agree with our two U.S. Senators on everything; however, I still support them in the general election because they're the Republican nominees for high office. As Reagan once said, my 20% ally is not my 80% enemy. I'd rather have someone I partially agreed with than someone I don't agree with at all. I didn't support McCain in the primary, but now that the primary is over and he's the nominee, I do, just as any good Republican should.
If you cast aside our Presidential nominee just because you disagree with him or her, to me you're not much of a Republican. You're also very narrow-minded and short-sighted.
I'd rather have someone who supported campaign finance reform than someone who supports the Clinton/Obama strategy on the War on Terror: ignore it and hope it goes away, while being more worried about civil rights than whether we'll be alive to enjoy them.
Learn Your Candidate
Perhaps you need to learn more about your candidate, then tell me who's the RINO. Over the years Ron Paul has been:
against the federal death penalty; against defining marriage as between one man and one woman, including the 2004 Federal Marriage Amendment; for gays being allowed to serve openly in the military; for legalizing drugs; and against serving our combat veterans through VA hospitals.
Does that sound Republican to you? I bet he agrees more with Senator Obama and Senator Clinton on these issues than Senator McCain - or even Senators Snowe or Collins. You really don't think drugs are all that bad? You really think gay marriage is OK? You really think we don't need to serve our veterans? You really don't think the federal government should be able to put criminals to death?
Heck, this sounds more like Dennis Kucinich to me. Maybe they could form a ticket.
These are not conservative
These are not conservative Republican positions, or even moderate Republican positions. These are far left positions. RON PAUL = RINO, aka another Wimpy Liberal who will lead us to another terror attack
to PatrioticDelegate
to PatrioticDelegate
Shouldnt all life be protected? why do we need a federal death penality? cant each state decide its own penality? would not life in prison be a far worse punishment?
isnt the right to pursue happiness supposed to be for all individuals ( gay,white,black ect)?
Shouldnt anyone willing to fight or defend their country be allowed to?
yes drugs are bad, but the "war on drugs" isnt working. cant that money be spent in a better way? like education and keeping coke and herion ect from coming across our borders?
have you seen the condition of some of the VA hospitols and the quality of treatment out vets are recieving? i would much rather let the wounded vet decide where he would like to be treated. could a public or private hospitol do business with those kinds of conditions?
dont you think us bombing the hell out of people will encourge them to attack us? dont you think our medeling in their politics so far as to install and remove leaders will get people pissed? do you really think we need 700 military bases around the world in 130 countries? would you want to attack china or russia if they had a military base here?
McCaine speaks in colorado 5/2/08
“My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will — that will then prevent us — that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East,” McCain said. isnt that war for oil?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/02/mccain-implies-iraq-war-i_n_998...
you confuse conservate thinking with bigotry and ignorence. you are a disgrace to any party. have a nice day jerk.
Read Ron Pauls book The Revolution - A Manefesto if you can still find a copy sold out #1 Best Seller on Amazon.com
try Borders or Barnes and Noble
do your homework
PatrioticDelegate
you misrepresent paul's positions just because you want to be right. read what paul hasa to say about these issues and don't misrepresent him because of bias.
why is it that the one man whos top contributors come from the army, navy, and air force not the republican candidate? why is it that the one man who votes according to the consitution every single time isn't good enough?
i'll tell you why. because the powers that be shut him down. the "liberal media" shut him down. most people didn't get to hear him until it is now too late. and the nation is going to hurt because of it.
why is it that the one man who can actually explain what's happening financially in the world and would actuallly reduce spending shown to the side door?
because the republican party at that convention sacrificed truth for unity.
I didn't misrepresent his
I didn't misrepresent his positions; you are lying about his positions. I did research and looked them up.
What breathless arrogance to be lying and then talking about truth in the same post, just like RINO Paul.
Those are his exact positions. The Ronulans have to lie about their candidate to make any sense.
Kucinich/Paul in '08! The Crazy Ticket!
i didn't say you lied.
i did attack your comments, but for very good reason. i am asking that you not 'misrepresent' paul's positions, i am asking that you be fair.
"These are not conservative Republican positions, or even moderate Republican positions. These are far left positions."
this is not very accurate at all. if you read Paul's 'reasoning' then you should realize this. If you still don't get it then get some glasses or ask questions. Or maybe, you should heed Paul's remarks about The Republican Party straying from its own principles. In fact, even Cal Thomas' speech was talking about this very point.
let me clarify where i am coming from a little better.
"against the federal death penalty; against defining marriage as between one man and one woman, including the 2004 Federal Marriage Amendment; for gays being allowed to serve openly in the military; for legalizing drugs; and against serving our combat veterans through VA hospitals."
this paragraph is pretty close. i'd say 85%
"I bet he agrees more with Senator Obama and Senator Clinton on these issues than Senator McCain - or even Senators Snowe or Collins. You really don't think drugs are all that bad? You really think gay marriage is OK? You really think we don't need to serve our veterans? You really don't think the federal government should be able to put criminals to death?"
this paragraph on the other hand is not nearly as correct. this is not what Paul is saying.
I'm not trying to make enemies with you. but i think these issues are important and we need to make sure we seperate facts and personl perspectives.
this what is so different about libertarians. it focuses on law and force. when is it justified to use force? because thats what government is, force. democrats and republicans when put together control all aspects of society, from business to personal behavior. libertarians are offering good ideas that can appeal to both sides. that's why ron paul can be called liberal by the conservatives and far right by democrats.
mr republican, Senator Robert Taft
The truth is that no nation can be constantly prepared to undertake a full-scale war at any moment and still hope to maintain any of the other purposes in which people are interested and for which nations are founded.
In the first place, it requires a complete surrender of liberty and the turning over to the central government of power to control in detail the lives of the people and all of their activities.
While in time of war people are willing to surrender those liberties in order to protect the ultimate liberty of the entire country, they do so on the theory that it is a limited surrender and one which they hope will soon be over, perhaps within a few months, certainly within a few years. But an indefinite surrender of liberty such as would be required by an all-out war program in time of peace might mean the final and complete destruction of those liberties which it is the very purpose of the preparation to protect"
read the rest here.....
Ron Paul: Mr. Republican
http://mises.org/story/2822
Opinions vs. Facts
My statement that these are far left positions is an opinion, not a fact, so you can only disagree with it, not call it a misrepresentation. I believe all those to be far, far left positions, and based on the amendments introduced by Paul delegates at the state conventions, that belief has only been reinforced. A couple of the Paul amendments could have been favored by Tom Allen.
My main problem with RINO Ron and other self-identified "libertarians" is their inconsistencies - the same problem I have with the religious right. Ron claims that he wishes to return to the Constitution, but he picks and chooses which parts. He wants to get rid of some executive Departments, but not all - when none were mentioned in the Constitution.
He wants to get rid of the draft, but not the military, when the Constitution doesn't authorize a standing military. He's in favor of civil liberties, and yet the Constitution didn't originally mention any - that's the Bill of Rights. Moreover, the Constitution originally authorizes slavery.
So Ronnie says he's in favor of "returning to the Constitution", but only those parts he likes. He's inconsistent and a hypocrite, just like other politicians.
Every comment in the second
Every comment in the second paragraph, other than the first sentence which is opinion, is a logical conclusion from the first. Ask a veteran what they think of getting rid of the VA hospitals - they'll tell you anyone who thinks that doesn't care about them. And they'd be right.
You're exactly right. This is what's different about Libertarians. That's why they should stick to their own party, not try to infect ours. I'm glad you admit Libertarians aren't Republicans.
opinions, debates, and fact
no. they are not logical conclusions. thats why i took issue. these positions are debatable.
so fine, we disagree on a few superficial issues. the problem with the VA is bureaucracy. paul is offering freedom on the issue. not more bureaucracy.
Mistreating Soldiers and Veterans
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul142.html
what's your explanation of military contributions to ron paul. why does paul and obama get more than mccain? are they not the protest vote this year?
why we fight
"The most important misjudgment regarding Iraq that must be dealt with is the charge that Muslim terrorists attack us out of envy for our freedoms, our prosperity, and our way of life. There is no evidence this is the case. On the contrary, those who have extensively researched this issue conclude that the #1 reason suicide terrorists attack anywhere in the world is because their land is occupied by a foreign military power. Pretending otherwise and constantly expanding our military presence in more Arab and Muslim countries as we have since 1990 has only increased the danger of more attacks on our soil, as well as in those countries that have allied themselves with us. If we deny this truth we do so at our own peril."
ron paul
what we fail to recognize now will replicate in the future....
Recommended for adults.
If you haven't seen this film yet....
"War Made Easy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ziIgsFJDg&feature=related
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